Topic Title: "Amoryn" and "Serenity".
| |  ""Amoryn" and "Serenity"."
, Wed 26 Nov 01:39
Two of the most interesting and promising formulas I've seen recently are "Amoryn" and "Serenity". Many people seem to be having tremendous success with these two!
"Amoryn" is a St. John's formula, standardized to Hypericum and Hyperforin, with 5-HTP, and B-Complex added. This seems as if it would be worth a try.
"Serenity" however, seems much more intriguing to me, not because it contains Lithium Orotate, but because the tablet is structured to cross the blood-brain barrier almost 100%! Supposedly, when this happens, most chemical imbalances are corrected rapidly! In other words, most of us are here because we have either high Dopamine/low Serotonin (OCD), or high Serotonin/Low Dopamine (Bipolar), or high Dopamine/low GABA and Serotonin (GAD), etc... So, if this stuff corrects this, and automatically balances everything out, it may just be the only supplement any of us need! (Along with a great Multi., of course!)
Anyone with experience with "Amoryn", or most importantly, "Serenity", please reply to this, letting us all know how the product(s) worked for you, and what other agents you are/were using with it. Please also verify the condition(s) you are treating, so we can correlate it with our own.
Thank you!
Knowledgebase.
Posts: 4 | | Registered: Tue 25 Nov 2003 23:17 |
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, Sun 30 Nov 00:55
I have successfully treated depression with Amoryn, two capsules daily. I also recommended Amoryn to a family member suffering from social anxiety, a friend with depression, and another friend with anxiety and depression. All three of them found that Amoryn did the trick. It takes about 2-3 weeks to kick in, but after that you feel energized and relaxed at the same time. It's like the nervous/tired/irritable/negative switches flipped off, and the calm/energetic/relaxed/positive switches fipped on. And so far no side effects for anybody.
I haven't heard anything about Serenity. I looked over their website, and it just seems a little fishy that they claim that lithium oratate can solve just about every mental imbalance known to man! OCD, ADHD, depression, anxiety, bipolar, etc. Sounds like a "miracle cure", which I don't really trust. Different problems are caused by different chemical imbalances, no silver bullet is going to solve every problem. But then again, I haven't tried it, so all I can say is that Amoryn definitely works.
Good luck,
Tammy
Posts: 4 | | Registered: Thu 2 Oct 2003 23:52 |
| | |  "I agree! Good input!"
, Sun 30 Nov 17:48
Hi Tammy,
"Serenity" does appear very "fishy" to me as well, as you mention, because they claim that the Lithium Orotate will cure any ailment. I E-Mailed the Customer Service Dept. with some very TECHNICAL questions, and they were supposedly going to forward my message(s) to Dr. Neiper, so that he could address my concerns appropriately. Well, safe to say, it never happened!! I figured as much! That turned me away from their product, along with the fact that the supplement is extremely OVERPRICED!!! I believe they are asking $40 per bottle! That's absurd, only because pure Lithium Orotate can be purchased for under $10, many other places! So, they are charging an extra $30 for their product, just based on the fact that Neiper developed it, and it supposedly crosses the blood-brain barrier 100%, due to a special coating of the tablet! I don't think so!! I think "Serenity" is a scam for most who would purchase it. As you mention, there are some that would benefit greatly from it, maybe better than Lithium Carbonate, but that would only be because they have a toxicity of Copper, Zinc, or some other trace mineral, and the Lithium helps balance the scales a bit. Furthermore, Lithium, in any form, is not the standard treatment for GAD, OCD, ADHD, or Depression! It's really not even the only recommended treatment for Bipolar Disorder. It normally must be combined with a low dose SSRI or Effexor, and Wellbutrin. That combination must also be manipulated until it's PERFECTLY BALANCED! Only then will the Bipolar sufferer achieve positive results. All in all, this product sucks, in my estimation! I just wondered about it because it's unique, and I thought it might be some revolutionary breakthrough. Disappointingly though, just seems like another scam!
Thanks for your input on "Amoryn"! I was blown away with this product too, and with this one, I knew that the company's claims were not just hype! I used St. John's for quite a few years, with no side effects, and pretty good results, at least for Anxiety. Plus, when I discontinued it, "Cold Turkey", I got SEVERE withdrawal! That told me that the herb had definitely changed my brain chemistry, and since it's withdrawal was much worse than an SSRI, I knew that it was far more powerful an Antidepressant, but much milder and gentler. That's not the best part. The product I used all those years was a very generic brand, only standardized for Hypericum, not for Hyperforin, which is the actual Antidepressant!!! In essence, I was using a brand that was about 1/4 as effective as "Amoryn" would be!
To my knowledge, from much research, Hyperforin and Sam-e are the 2 most effective Antidepressants on Earth! This research includes Pharmaceuticals too, such as Wellbutrin, Prozac, Nardil, etc... Reason being, Hyperforin is an SNDRI (Serotonin, Norepinephrine, and Dopamine Reuptake Inhibitor), and it inhibits all 3 Neurotransmitters equally, unlike Effexor XR, which inhibits Serotonin mainly, Norepinephrine secondarily, and Dopamine only slightly. MAO-I's act on all 3 systems pretty evenly, but they cause extensive side effects, and dangerous interactions with many foods. Who the hell wants that?! There are a few Reverse MAO-I's, only available in Europe currently, that are fairly mild, and would be compatable with Hyperforin, in effectiveness, but they still cause more side-effects, and are much more expensive! As for Sam-e, it helps build higher levels of Neurotransmitters in the brain, mainly Serotonin, Norepinephrine, Dopamine, and Acetylcholine, by binding them to their Receptor Sites more effectively. Like Hyperforin, zero side effects!
So, why don't M.D.'s recommend Sam-e or Hyperforin to us? A few do, but most don't because the Pharmaceutical Industry is a multi-billion dollar industry! These companies won't even let consumers purchase their meds. from Canada at a third the cost, because they might go "HUNGRY"! They would never want the truth unveiled that 2 "100% Natural" agents, wrap rings around their chemicals!
Well, sorry to go off on a tirade there, but hearing testimonials that the "Power" of something that costs only $30 a month, is far more effective than a synthetic agent that costs $150 a month, irritates me a bit! I'm soon to order "Amoryn", but I'm currently using 5-HTP, L-Tyrosine, and DLPA, to much success, and have been able to quit taking Effexor XR over the past few weeks! I'm in the process of "restoration" of Neurotransmitter levels right now, and I actually might be more beneficial with Sam-e, combined with my current program, because it will enable my newly formed Neurotransmitters to remain in the areas where they work the best, and the longest. However, in a few months or so, I'll cut the dose of my Amino's back, and add "Amoryn", at only half the recommended dose, just to prevent any dips in mood.
KB.
Posts: 10 | | Registered: Tue 25 Nov 2003 23:17 |
| | | "Re(1):I agree! Good input!" , Fri 14 May 10:05
My fiancee has been diagnosed with bipolar and is on zyprexa and lexapro which helped, but she obviously needed something else to stablize her moods. We found Serenity and like many were skeptical at first, but we planned on taking full advantage of the money back guarantee if needed. It is the best thing we could have found. Her moods are stable now, she has no more angry outbursts. The only negative things now are the side affects of taking the zyprexa and lexapro. It may not work for other people and she is apprehensive about just going the Serenity alone, so it might be all three working together getting the great results, but I am glad we ordered the Serenity.
Posts: 0 | | Registered: Fri 14 May 2004 9:58 |
| | | "thanks!" , Sat 29 Nov 17:45
Thanks so much for the very helpful link! I have yet to read it all, but I'm working on it! I have had some experience with "Psychobabble" in the past. Great site! Many knowledgeable and experienced people there.
Thanks again!
KB.
Posts: 9 | | Registered: Tue 25 Nov 2003 23:17 |
| | | "Hey KB" , Wed 3 Aug 00:29
Knowledgebase -
Maybe you can help me out, if you have a few minutes.
I'm trying to ascertain which neurotransmitters I have in excess and which I lack. You seem to have a lot of knowledge on this base. I suffer from depression and anxiety, and believe most of my problems are related to neurotransmitter levels. One reason I believe this is when I have a few drinks, nowhere near intoxication so that I am still my normal personality, I experience almost complete relief of physical symptoms that plague me during social situations and am free to be myself.
To be more descriptive, I believe I possess the following disorders to some degree:
- Depression: dysthymia, major depression, occasional suicidal thoughts and violent thoughts
- Body Dismorphic Disorder, a type of OCD
- Performance Anxiety Disorder: rapid heartbeat (like it's beating out of my chest), terrible globus hystericus (constricting lump in throat), hypersalivation, stiffness and tenseness in facial muscles, loss of coordination and balance if I'm doing an athletic activity, loss of concentration, overall tension and inability to relax
- Social Anxiety Disorder: identical symptoms as Performance Anxiety Disorder with a few exceptions... NO rapid heartbeat, NO loss of balance, but worsened hypersalivation and globus hystericus
[i made a distinction between SAD and PAD, but they often occur simultaneously to some degree]
- Avoidant Personality Disorder (the mental analogue to physical symptoms mentioned above of SAD and PAD)
- insomnia and disturbed sleep cycles
Alcohol consumption temporarily relieves all of these except for the ones associated with depression.
From this array of conditions, I think almost all my problems can be associated with this set of neurotransmitters (maybe I missed some I don't know about):
{serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine, GABA, acetylcholine}
This is my prediction of these levels in me (please confirm):
serotonin - LACK
dopamine - LACK?
norepinephrine - UNSURE
GABA - LACK
acetylcholine - SURPLUS
I predict I have a surplus of acetylcholine because I am almost always hyperconscious and self-conscious, even when I try to relax and get my mind off things. I predict I have a lack of GABA because of my failure to relax. I am certain that I have a severe lack of serotonin; my depression has arisen linearly, unprovoked, and continously through life. Alcohol calms me, makes me a social butterfly, and makes me say all these depressing things to people I hardly know ;).
I was on Zoloft which eliminated all serotonin-related problems I have, but did little else. Paxil helped a lot more with other things but was not as effective as Zoloft for depression. I think Paxil may have elevated dopamine and norepinehprine levels as well as serotonin. However, the limitation to Paxil's efficacy could have been that it did not affect GABA or acetylcholine.
I'm going to try SJW for a little longer, another month. So far it is absolutely helping for depression etc but doing very very little if anything for anxieties. Will either switch to PAXIL in a month or stay on SJW, but probably switch. When on PAXIL, i'd like to try supplementing with GABA. What is a good way to obtain GABA? Does it penetrate the blood-brain barrier, or should I take GABA precursurs?
Also, I'd like to know any other meds/supplements you recommend I look into. Thanks a ton. Knowledgebase, you can really help me out. With your base of knowledge, you might save me literally months of running around trying different things.
Keep in touch.
- Jake
[email protected]
Thank you.
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